http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862 A place to share, learn, and grow... en-US Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:07:18 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://forums.leaflabs.com/search.php http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-7841 Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:29:34 +0000 gbulmer 7841@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>bubulindo -</p> <blockquote><p>The last post though, is a clone. Nothing has been added or changed to benefit the buyer.</p> </blockquote> <p>I believe you are mistaken.<br /> The ITead board appears not to have the LiPo charger, and claims to have automatic power selection (no jumpers).<br /> The buttons are in a different place too.</p> <p>Not a lot of changes, but comparable to Olimex.</p> <blockquote><p>As far as I can see, they aren't quite cloning the Maple, they built on top of it, same as the people from leaflabs built on top of Arduino</p> </blockquote> <p>Maple is *so* different from Arduino, that I don't think it is fair to compare the work that LeafLabs put in to develop Maple with the work that Olimex put in.</p> <p>I would expect a competent engineer, experienced at using Eagle, to reroute the Maple Eagle files to the Olimex board in a week, rev it, and have it done in maybe one or two more revs in a few more weeks.<br /> They have a working board to compare with, measure and test because the massive bulk of the work is done.</p> <p>The Maple is a very different MCU from the Arduino's ATmega, on a completely new PCB that had to be designed tested and debugged. (I spent several days just trying to optimise which STM32F pins I would map to the Arduino header pins.)<br /> ALL of the libraries are new code. None of the peripherals are the same as Arduino.<br /> The bootloader is new.<br /> The tool chain uses some different parts to the Arduino, and has to be built and integrated.<br /> All that has to be integrated into the IDE, tested, and examples ported.<br /> IMHO, this is man years.</p> <p>(Full disclosure: I am not a member of LeafLabs staff.) </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-7837 Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:56:34 +0000 bubulindo 7837@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>I actually have the Olimex board and yes, it brings the Maple bootloader in it. </p> <p>I don't understand all the hate when they took the processor and bootloader/IDE from Maple, the form factor of Arduino and put some of their work in it. </p> <p>As far as I can see, they aren't quite cloning the Maple, they built on top of it, same as the people from leaflabs built on top of Arduino. There's the sd slot, the RTC crystal and the CAN interface chip. Sure, they could have made it better and integrated the battery charger with the Vbat on the STM32, but we all make mistakes and it's impossible to please everyone. </p> <p>The last post though, is a clone. Nothing has been added or changed to benefit the buyer. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-7835 Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:25:04 +0000 anton 7835@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>More clones!<br /> <a href="http://iteadstudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;cPath=50_53&amp;products_id=472" rel="nofollow">http://iteadstudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;cPath=50_53&amp;products_id=472</a> </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5418 Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:25:11 +0000 ianmga 5418@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>Can you tell whether it is 2 or 4 layer? Oh heck, I should just shut up and get one. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5394 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:09:18 +0000 supermac 5394@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>I just got five boards..<br /> so far so good, Now I just need some CAN and sd card libraries for maple. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5330 Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:07:54 +0000 ianmga 5330@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>I can't tell for sure, but is that one 2-layer? </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5240 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:56:45 +0000 crenn 5240@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>I know! I recently acquired 100 button cell holders (hooray for minimum order quantities!) although I don't think I can fit it onto my Maple Mini board, but I'll see. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5239 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:47:55 +0000 poslathian 5239@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>Yea I also dig the SD slot. </p> <p>Crenn, we broke out vBat on maple mini! </p> <p>We are always pleased to see more players, especially cloners, it means we are on the right track. Plus it is great when people build on top of your stuff! </p> <p>Thankfully, we will have Maple, Maple RET6, Maple Mini, and Maple Native by the time a lot of this newer stuff starts to take traction. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5230 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:48:18 +0000 nully 5230@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>Wow that thing isn't pretty.<br /> But hey, you know you are making a great product when there are clones of it.</p> <p>Kinda neat that they have a SD-MMC card slot on it though. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5227 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:39:41 +0000 crenn 5227@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>I'm actually pleasantly surprised with that board, I think they've been watching the forums for some time, the only feature missing on that board that I can see, is the option of having battery backup for the RTC and Backup Registers. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5223 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:14:13 +0000 robodude666 5223@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>Makes me wonder what they didn't manage to cram onto that board. Wonder what they'd do with a Mega-sized or a Maple Native-sized board. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5221 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:55:28 +0000 snigelen 5221@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>Interesting that the Duemillanove-clone is more expensive than the Maple clone (and the PIC32). </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5218 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:46:03 +0000 mabl 5218@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>Guessing from the software examples I have seen from Olimex. They don't care for the software but just for hardware. So now wonder they just link to the maple... I wonder if this ships with the maple bootloader. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5217 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:42:59 +0000 robodude666 5217@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>At least they linked to the LeafLabs website for the software instead of ripping it off too.</p> <p>The official Maple looks far sexier and less like a chinese clone though. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=862#post-5216 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:33:53 +0000 mabl 5216@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>There is a new Olimex Clone of the Maple now:<br /> <a href="http://www.olimex.com/dev/olimexino-stm32.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.olimex.com/dev/olimexino-stm32.html</a> </p>