http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=553 A place to share, learn, and grow... en-US Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:09:32 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://forums.leaflabs.com/search.php http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=553#post-3016 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:26:37 +0000 soundcyst 3016@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>from <a href="http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/APPLICATION_NOTE/CD00164185.pdf">this app note</a> on page 6,</p> <blockquote><p> Note: VDDA and VSSA must be connected to VDD and VSS, respectively. </p></blockquote> <p>the fact that the maple uses a unique regulator for VDDA and VSSA makes me slightly concerned.. i understand this is for noise reasons, but it seems like ST wouldn't have taken the effort to make a special note about it if it didn't have potential to cause some problems... </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=553#post-2978 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 19:58:25 +0000 soundcyst 2978@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>i had a feeling it had something to do with what you mentioned, but wasn't quite sure..</p> <p>thanks for the link! </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=553#post-2965 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 21:43:32 +0000 gbulmer 2965@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>I found most of the articles I was thinking of at <a href="http://www.hottconsultants.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hottconsultants.com/index.html</a><br /> I still think there are more, but these are great.</p> <p>Well worth a weekend read, IMHO </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=553#post-2962 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:33:26 +0000 gbulmer 2962@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>I will try to find the papers I read about this. I think they were by an engineer at TI. They were more articulate than me.</p> <p>Essentially, ground does a couple of jobs:<br /> 1. ground is every signals return connection, carrying the complementary current to 'balance' the signal. PCB tracks are low resistance, but this varying curent still shows up as a varying voltage on ground. If digital and analogue ground can be separated, the analogue ground will be more stable allowing the ADC's to measure with greater precision and accuracy because it won't carry current (and hence small voltages) for rapidly changing digital signals.</p> <p>One of the techniques is to partially disconnect areas of the ground plane. The remaining copper connection between the ground areas is an inductor, which connects for DC voltages and very low frequency changes, but increases in impedance, and hence filters high frequency changes from traveling through neighbouring areas of ground.</p> <p>A better technique is to try to keep analogue and digital apart, and not intermingle their signals.</p> <p>2. varying voltages in a track induce voltages in neighbouring tracks (think of an electrical transformer), the faster the variation, the bigger the effect. The ground plane can be used to 'isolate' and hence 'contain' those variations to a much smaller area of the PCB by acting as the neighbouring track. The ground plane under the signal track is like the other transformer coil, the return signal travels along the ground plane underneath the signal track (there is no need to shape the ground plane to achieve this, keep the ground plane continuous under the signal, and physics does the heavy lifting).</p> <p>Summary: a ground plane can 'contain' or 'steer' induced voltages away from neighbouring signal tracks, and 'cuts' in the ground plane can filter higher frequency noise, preventing it from spreading across the board, and 'polluting' sensitive analogue signals with digital 'noise'. </p> http://forums.leaflabs.com/topic.php?id=553#post-2956 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:46:34 +0000 soundcyst 2956@http://forums.leaflabs.com/ <p>i'm a little perplexed by the ground layer in the rev5 design.. i understand that providing the second regulator for the adcs gives a bit better noise performance, but i don't understand why it's better to have the ground plane all chopped up, considering it's all connected.</p> <p>can anyone explain to me why this is useful?</p> <p>thanks! </p>